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WHITNEY STABLE STRONG A. J. JOYNER TALKS INTERESTINGLY OF HIS . CHARGES IN ENGLAND. Flanders, an Epsom Derby Eligible, a Grand-Looking Colt — Talk of Another Keene-Whitney Yearling Deal — Joyners Joke with Mr. Keene. New Tort, Jaaaary IS. Seated iii the office of the Jockej tab today, a. .1. Joyner was the center of a group "t men interested In racing ami answered various questions i:li mock keen intelligence that Men of m as bad never been in Kngland could .!:,.. ! fancj ourselves at Newaiarkei with the a m -t i tin horseman. II is so greal ■ treat to tails i 1 Kuglisb raring ai fii-t hand with Mr. Joyner. wIki bus not been with nc before for two years, that 1 hope the reader may pardon me for again putting in print some of bis observations. Naturally Hi. talk was of the Derby and the chances of Mi. Whltnt . The Hamburg Martha II. colt, on of the entries, is jusi :, f;,ii si. it nt -. .it . but in Handera the Ani.iiraii stable lias ;l good-looking fellow, not an i.p defeating In- two--year-old rivals, but jusi the sari "! colt thai tram- ou. He i- an imposing chestnut, bj Burgomaster Fiesolc. by Goldfinch, onl of Flreuxi. and baa run ■ • 1 1 1 three times. In one race, Lomond. ih - h rbj favorite, conceded fonrteen pound- to Flanden and fialsbed three lengths in fr int uf liiin. The liisi past tin- post in tlii- race i the nimerack Stakes, was Lord Durhams Cylgad. but be v a- disqualified for foaling Lomond, and this gate the oww ■ of th latter, Mr. Hnlton, ol the Manchester Sporting Chronicle, the opportunity f making an admirable speech at the Blsaerack cinii dinner. In I race before this. White Star, which is i. !., on eaual terms win Lomond in faToritism Cor the Deny, conceded seven on— da to Flanders iimi in ai aim a length at six farlaatga. ihi- was Flanden tir-t appearance, and. as Joyner says, be :- ■ raking big fellow, it la possible that, as has so ti. n Mien si en in the Derby, the two-year-old . • . •hatnploiis do uoi train on as do thus., that were backward, and do not figure in the three-year-oid claasics. It is not f»»r a moment meant to lie said thai Joyner thinks Flanders is a Derbj possibility-, it Is merely told that be i a eorl ol Brand appearance. Oertainlj hi- races are not bad. It will N seen thai in eaeh iustatn-e be wa- in rio-e company With the two best youngster* of the year. Bargomaster, as will be recalled, won the Belmont Stakes of 1906 al Beiawnl iark. :uid always struck n. e as ■ high-class ."h. l well remember his ex-traordtaarj running as a two-year-old. He ran Lie. lily iii bis Krai ran, but m in- next start be ran straight and inn- and won the valuable Great American Stakes at Gnvesend m such all-conqnering style n- lo wan. mi the mosl brill btnl future. This he sustained by carrying 1 . pounds and winning the Great Eastern Handicap from s big field. Thai was the rear 1005| when George C. Bennctl was out. and the best lodges where divided as to the soperi oritj of one or the other. Now. || Flanden trains on as ,iid pi sire, there is no great stretch of the Imagination to fancy him leading bis field in the greatest of all turf contests, what i blow thai would lie i those rabid tint critics who are eon ilnually decrying American horaea on the ground that theirs cannot siav. How quickly they forgot Fox ball and Kings Courier, both winners of the longest ta ■« s ou the English turf. And how abend Iroquois 1 The one thing 1 have noticed In my three yea -abroad." said Joyner, "is the precocity of American two-year-olds a- compared with the English. That Is. for the first sis months of their two-year -old year our horses outlook the English and are easier to louie to hard, bin after that the English colts i onie on b leapa and bound-, while oar bocses seem to -Intel still We bao not had I stayer in our liable in two rears except All Gold, and be is English-bred. As to race-riding, there is the ansae difficulty with the Jockeys in England as in America. They do not seem to know how to ride a waiting race. This hi fatal on straightaways not so hud ,n tin- turns, for then there i- a chance for the horse to l-.-i ■ breathing spell. Oar Jockey, J. H. Martin, can hold 1 is own. He Is unbeatable at the barrier, and this count- in two-year-old races, especially. He has nettled down into one of the mosl conserratln of men. He would get many more mounts, bin i- haul to please and tarns down many i.iTers." Pnlike any other training cstablishmenl S1 New market, Joyner boards all bis help. One reason for this is that Balaton Lodge is some distance from the center of the town ol Sewmarket, and niiieh time would be lost If the stable help went to steals else where. Speaking of fonts, etc.. Joyner said that 11 M I lai I that a w, -11 known advertising tipster has in every stable ta England a man or boy in his pay. This particular tipster is f the mosl successful men in his line and la wealthy through the number ol winners be send- out. Much of the success of the leading trainers ta England is due to the trustworthy "bead lads." or foremen, a- they would be called her. . Alluding to the ■»« cess of the Irish bred years, Joyner -aid that it was due lo the virgin soil of thai country. The groond had not been drained by a hundred years of breeding. t-;. on the other hand, some of the best horses •■ the past twenty years lave been bred al Newmarket in a apace not more than the width and length of ■o,i sized city lot. Such horses as Bayardo and l.embirg were bred almost ta tie back yard of their owia i . Mr. Falrie. Madame •! • FHIIen. breeder ol the French cham plon two-yeai ld Montrose II. which itx sold as ■ yearling to Mr. VanderblU for I1S.00O, Is on* ol the well-known family, noted for baring made im meiise rortunc* out oi chocolate -the Meunlers. Tu. roll was nominated for the Derby by her breeder, think be is not a stayer, but this is no the opinion oi a correspondent oi tin Sporting Life who predicts that Im will win the three great prises of the turf world the English and French Dei by- and tie- Gfaad Prix. Ami lb im- who L-o I.. England and waul lo -lay then should hear in mind that the profession -l training and riding Is regarded bj many noblemen in ti,;. i . antrj a- an avocation not dissimilar to ! ,■• . . i - r, j,., n i- seldom, Indeed, thai nobli men or eentlemen of th, fori there make boon c va panloni of their Jockeya, as i- seen in imerl oikviiIv. Bespeci is exacted from horsemen, and It l- reciprocated There is one notable ii • wl.ic Lord Boeeber ha- several time- taken "Baanj Mab yachl Bg with him. Bm Maber Is an i Kceptioually pidlte and well balanced young mau. The future of iii- phenomena II succi wful ockey is gtring hi.- ..Id friends some concern. With all the I be im- earned in the nasi twelve years abroad, tost bow much of it be has saved, i- an open Question. He cannot ride many BMre y ■ .lis. because ot Increasing weight. After in- retires, will he fry his hand a- trainer? Ii so, can he succeed! Without a doubt :..■ will I..- aid-1 by Lord Bosebery. Lord Derbj and others who will be glad to send him Beans hor-es to train. ISut he must make good t" retain his !,. id. although the little b.-.k "Horses in ■Training," show* each year many trainers who Kiiini.illy hme in their charge iron, thirty to i x i • l,.a — ind who vm only a lew ran-s naefe - Fancy Amerii an MMtl year a tier year enduring mi-. I have ju-t heard thai Mr. Keen* ha-sold to Lord Dnndas. descendant of the famous English turfman. I...11I Zetland, his three-year-old chestnut colt. Blarney Stone, by Hippodrome— Maid of Krin. hence a half-brother to Celt. The coll is engaged in th.-Two Thousand Guineas and Derby. Lord Dnndas is a gentleman trainer, of the same class as Hi n. George Lambton, who baa done so well with Lord Derbys horse-. Blarney Stone has two races to bis credit and i- about ten pound- behind Coriander. hi Spearmint colt which, at HX to 1. once defeated the red hot favorite. Absurd i upon which 101 to 12 was bid 1. ami canned a sensation. Blarney Stouos elder half-brother, Celt, is regarded by so good a lodge as Mr. Voaburgh, as one of the most desirable young stallions in America. He is leased to Capt. it. .!. Hancock of the BUeralie Stud in Virginia. Mr. Keene is in a quandary. II has about thirty yearlings at Iastleton ami naturally ho turf world i- assuming thai Mr. Whitney wants to buy them. I.ut Mr. Keen,- will not set a price, liecause he i-waiting for their half brothers and sisters now at Balaton Lodge to race ami show their form. If looiI land ther. i- no doubt thai there are grand ones in the lotL naturally their sue peases will en hance the value- of their younger relative- at a-thiiii. itut Joyner jokingly told Mr. Keene thai h- did not thin!, the Castleton-bred two-year-olds would race early Ibis year, tint that lie would depend upon the Brookdale bred youngsters. At which Mr. Keene plucked hi- beard fiercely ami accused Joyner of trilling with him. Of 111 -c Joyner was joking, and when ready, all 1 he youngsters ta bis -table will be sent out. irrespective of whether they tir.- Castleton-bred or Brookdale bred. I have a strong uoti.n that this will be the best year Mr Whitney ha- yet had on the English turf. Certainly h;- lavish expenditures warrant success. .TOSKPH J. BURKS.
