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WHIPS AND SPURS. "if a trainer like John Rogers will not allow a first-class rider like Burns a whip on the best mare of the year In a stake like the Brooklyn, what ought L. Wilson be allowed to do in a 00 purse when he is riding a quitter like Deutschland?" was the question put to Campbell Scott, the editor of the Thoroughbred Record; Tom Hayes, Starter Dade and Secretary Hachmeister at dinner yesterday, says the St. Louis Republic of Wednesday. "No boy has any business with a whip," said Mr. Hayes. "If It was not that it gives him the appearance of trying and looks good to the public, I would not give it to a boy of mine. A horse which will run will run without a whip. Boys lose a, length going for it and dear knows how many lengths after they draw it." "Right," said Mr. Dade. «I noticed little Wilson go, after it yesterday. He made five . grabs for it before he got it and changed, hands twice on the reins. He lost ten lengths in as many strides." "There are certain horses like South I Breeze which need a couple- of cuts to make j Continued on Sixth Page. WHIPS AND SPURS. Continued from first page. them wake up," said Mr. Scott. "When they get to their horses they run along all right, but they need to be reminded that they are racing. Outside of that the whip is an intolerable nuisance. There should be a rule against it." "Spurs," said Mr. Dade, "are worse. They merely make a horse sour and nasty. It does not help in the least to stick a horse with the steel when he is doing all he can. How do you like in a fight to have a friend come up behind and jab you with a knife to make you fight harder? I have seen horses made sore and miserable by spuring." "Horses will run without whip or spurs," said Mr. Hayes. "Why, I am surprised to see spurs on two-year-olds. If a boy rode one for me with spurs I~ would feel like shooting him. Rogers is right. No whip and no spurs." "The, saddle horsemen use spurs to keep horses from shying or backing," said Mr. Dade. "They do not use them to urge and they only touch their heels against their sides. Hands and knees and good will are all a jockey needs to make a thoroughbred do his best"